I’m reading all these posts on GS, either I’m misunderstanding something or there are contradictions about which one is the best 1073 preamp. (500 series and standalone ).
is the new Neve 1073LB and AMS Neve 1073 same thing or different things ?

( And yes I have used the search function and read many threads )

Can you guys list the top 3 best 1073 preamps from #1 to #3 (500 series and non-500 series, vintage and modern)

Say you walk into a biker bar look around and yell out what's the top 3 motorcycles. This is what you have done with your question only the bar is full of home recorders, pro engineers and manufacturers who sell preamps. So, your results will be a brawl and you're going to get beat up.

That said, AMS Neve do a really good job with their remakes. Note however: some people are going to compare preamp only units to the sound of an original 1073 which has more transformers and EQ and try to convince you one is better than the other. Some people will compare preamp only models to other preamp only brands and this is at least apples to apples. If you really want the closest thing to an original, it would be AMS with the EQ section. Yet, this doesn't mean there aren't perfectly usable other brands that a lot of people like i.e. Brent Averil which sound different but not bad different just a little rounder in tone. Good luck in the bar.

Which 1073 with EQ section is that ?
The 80-series ? Or the AMS Neve 1073 DPA or 1073N ?

BAE 1073 is my go to. Love it paired with c800g / u67 / u47. In terms of transformer based pre’s, I also use the Shelford w/ red silk frequently

You’d think after being a member for over 10 years you’d know better than to make a “best” thread.

1073 DPA does not have the EQ section. It's a preamp only unit.

The original 1073 is reissued in their Classic Series as the 1073N. I went with the 500 series LB + LBEQ which is feature wise equivalent to the 1073 N.

they are all comparable, pretty much all the same. Look at it this way, none of them are built like the originals since 90% of the components from the 70s are obsolete

The 1073N is the SMT version of the console module. The 1073 classic (V or H) is the hand wired version of the console module.

One thing I want to get clear:
is Neve 1073 and AMS Neve 1073 same thing or not ?
In many threads people say that BAE 1073 is better than neve 1073.
But in other threads people say that AMS Neve 1073 is better than BAE 1073

( by “better” I mean “closest to original” )

I would think that AMS Neve having all the original documentation, engineering specs, etc....should have the most original reproduction.

IMO, it really does come down to engineering.

Read my original question again and pay closer attention to AMS Neve vs Neve question I have.

One thing I want to get clear:
is Neve 1073 and AMS Neve 1073 same thing or not ?
In many threads people say that BAE 1073 is better than neve 1073.
But in other threads people say that AMS Neve 1073 is better than BAE 1073

( by “better” I mean “closest to original” )

Closest in what way?
Design or in the parts?

Are you asking if the 500 series version is the same as the rack version?

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Marinair vs St. Ives/Carnhill transformers make them different from the very beginning. The closest to the original would have to be a preamp with one of these two transformers and none of these will sound exactly like an original today, except by chance, because components age. But, as others have pointed out, the Neve AMS are probably the closest. They bought the company and as pointed out above, the original designs. A more modern but similar take would be a Rupert Neve Shelford strip. After all, Rupert invented the original.

No, they are not identical, but they are similar. I think the rack version or the 1073N is a closer match sonically. I went 500 series many years ago because of budget and am very pleased with them. I think the rack version has a little more vibe in the upper midrange transients. I'm out on this topic, it's been done to death here at GS. Probably hundreds of threads.

Closest in sound

The brand / company. I keep hearing AMS Neve and Neve. Don’t both make a rack version, 80 series vertical and horizontal versions, table top version and 500series version ? Or AMS Neve makes certain ones and Neve makes the other ones ? Which company makes which ones ? Very confused

My vote goes to the BAE 1073D pre/EQ to my ears very close in build quality (it's a work of art inside that unit with point to point wiremanship) and sound to the original units.

Personally, I have found the AMS units to be quite vanilla sounding.

I have an original, vintage 1073 that was re-racked. I also have an AMS Neve 1073 classic (the hand-wired reissue). If differences in sound exist, they are so slight that they do not matter to me. I use them as a stereo pair even though they are not.

all Neve and Ams Neve have the same logo, its not allowed to use the logo from the other. thus AMS NEVE is Neve when the thunder flash logo is on the gear.

Rupert Neve founded Neve in the 60's and produced the 1073 preamp/eq. When people are referring to a Neve 1073 they are generally referring to the vintage units from that era, but that company no longer exists. In the 80's Neve was acquired by Siemens and later merged with AMS to form the company AMS Neve that exists and produces many products today based on the 1073 circuit (rack versions, 80 series, 500 series).
There are also other companies that make 1073 clones like BAE, Heritage, etc. The exact transformers in the vintage units are no longer made today so technically nothing produced today is an exact clone of the vintage units, but it's the same circuit and generally sounds the same.
Later in life Rupert Neve founded a new company called Rupert Neve Designs that produces his more recent designs.

Again in what way?
None of them used the original 10468, 31277, LO 1166 transformers, Motorola 2N3055 transistors or Mullard/Phillips Tantalum caps.

These things are a part of the original sound.
But it doesn't make the new offerings any less useful.
Especially in today's productions that tend to lean more on the wide bandwidth side.

LTD-1 :D

I went with the Neve 500 series for portability. When I go to the camp it's so easy to gear up and go :-)

These are great units. I also like that the early ones were just re-racked vintage Neves.

Had the original LTD-1’s which were wonderful and 1073’s. Sold off original 1073’s years ago. The new Neve offerings are excellent. Still use the DPA’s the UTA Mpeq’s pre might be something to look into. Have had much success with those in place of Neve’s.

The 1073 pre in slot 1, is that Neve 1073 or AMS Neve 1073 ?

I have shelford and I’m not in love. What makes you grab the bae over shelford or vice versa

It’s an AMS 1073LB. A Neve 1073 is a preamp/eq module that was part of the A88 console that debuted in 1970 and later was also on the 80-series consoles. Rupert Neve never designed a 1073 for 500-series.

I wish companies would not name a preamp without eq a 1073. It’s not a 1073 without EQ… not even a clone because a real 1073 has the EQ. It just confuses the heck out of people like the OP.