AMS cheap out on parts. AML is the one.

How to beat a dead horse with another horse, which is riding a dead horse.

"I read all of the other threads, but please repeat everything said before, 100 times, into my good ear."

During my trajectory, I had the following clones 1073/1272:

Heritage 1073jr
Avedis Ma5
AML ez1073
Brent Averil 1272
Stam Audio 1073 eq

My impressions are: All units like this have a very good standard of construction. All very robust.

About the sound of the units. Definitely all units have points in common but what caught my attention the most was the subtle "sweetness" or polish (velvety) of some and the subtle dry "hardness" of others. I used Heritage and Avedis a lot as they were both in the same lunchbox. Avedis had that polish while heritage was drier. The Avedis reminded me a little more transparently but with sauce, like RED1 or Neve Portico. Loved them. Too bad they're gone. A few years went by and he picked up a pair of AML's and a Brent Averil 1272 mono unit, probably the second generation of the old ones. With carnhill blue transformers. Of all of them, the most subtly hard and crunchy was Brent. AMLs are also in this crispy category I would say.

Anyone who has a 1073 unit with an equalizer knows a little about that hardness, slightly rough that I'm talking about when the unit's high frequencies are abused. That 10k. Which by the way is wonderful. I would like to reinforce that what I am doing happens in a very subtle way. But when choosing the source to be captured, it makes a difference. They are color palettes. And all of excellent quality.

We arrived at the last unit. The pair of Stam 1073eq. This unit has two output transformers that can be chosen. Carnhill and Sowter. With the first transformer, reminded me of the AML, including the behavior of the eq. The good surprise came with the Sowter transformer that reminded me of the Avedis. I used Q-Clone to see and compare the curves that each transformer made and that was not a mistake of my perception. q-clone showed that there is a slight change in the bass behavior. I had sold my Avedis. I thought about buying them again to get that sweetness back, but I won't need it anymore.

Sorry for the giant text. It is good to share this experience. And knowing that all units are different and excellent at the same time. The old question. What sound are you looking for?

So which 1073 available to buy today is the closest to original console 1073 channel strip ( especially the preamp ) ?

Since the AMS Neve 1073 made today is not true to original design due to many upgraded components in it.

I got a Neve 1073 SPX from sweetwater and I am happy with the bad cheap electronics which sound good and are not super expensive. I feel like there is maybe too much posturing in the audio gear world haha.

I've had the Neve lunchbox versions of 1073 with EQ (two separate modules with an interconnect cable) and they don't sound quite like the real deal. They are good.

The 1073n alone (no power supply but supplied wallwart) is very dangerous. That sounded so good it led to more 1073's which led to a Neve console.

I have the 1073n, 1073cv and 1084cv and they essentially sound indistinguishable in a console or rack with adequate overbuilt powersupply.


I would totally recommend the 1073n the Neve rack. Can't afford the rack? Buy the 1073n and enjoy as a stand alone, then when your finances improve buy the rack later.

The hand wired cv versions truly don't sound any different, at least nothing anyone would would be able to detect in a true double blind test.

The OP in this thread is cracking me up

It has been a while since you posted in this thread, but since it has been bumped, I figure I might as well respond to this question in case you are still in need of the info.

The closest to the original 1073s right now, in my opinion, is an AMS Neve 1073 Classic hand-wired version. I do think the BAE 1073 Module is the other to consider. The BAE wiring is a bit more rugged/closer to the original; the BAE also has the correct plating for the metal housing when compared to the AMS Neve. The BAE however, does not come stock with the HI/LO impedance switch on the back of their 80 series modules (it can be custom ordered though, which I recommend). Thats the main thing, but the AMS Neve still has a few other things it does that I think make it closer (at least if both units are stock). There are still some manufacturing procedures they do from back in the day that make theirs closer to how the original was done.

For component choice its very close. Each has some components I would consider closer to the originals then the other, so its more "different" than one being better or worse. I wouldn't say one is better than the other, as they are both fantastic.

For some clarification on other units, the BAE 1RU rack 1073 with full EQ is closer than the AMS 1073SPX, because the SPX used surface mount unlike the originals.

Did someone say there was a bar brawl in here?

I heard people saying that the AML 1073 clone was very good ?

IMHO if you don't mention transformers you missed the boat

BAE technically has original input transformers, as an original manufacturer is still making those, Carnhill (formerly St. Ives). AMS Neve, last I heard, uses Vigortronix transformers that they apply a Marinair sticker to. I'm sure Neve have done a lot of work to make sure their new transformers are good, even if BAE technically has a more "original" component.

Neither of the original manufacturers of the output transformers still make them. I have not compared the Carnhill output to the Vigrotronix personally, although I am sure they both sound very good.

yes, we could use a big black guy to shake things up

I don't mind playing the piano in the background while you fight, any recommendations for a suitable mic pre?

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Well from what I 'know' by reading lots of interviews with Rupert and talking to the folks at AMS Neve, they claim they are the only one with the correctly 'spec' transformers. Why? Because they 'own' them. The AMS Neve tech who visits my studio from the UK to check my Neve console told me about lawsuits AMS Neve initiates to protect itself from cloners. So AMS Neve tells me nobody else has the correctly spec-ed iron because only AMS 'owns' these specs and therefore is singularly the only company with the legal right to make them. The tech told me of some companies which tried to clone the iron but where shut down by legal action initiated by AMS Neve.

I believe the AMS Tech over over your post. Or at the very least your definition of 'original' is vasty different than my definition of 'original' in regard to transformers in 1073/1084/1066 etc...

Also I believe my ears, again comparing my original vintage 1073's against the AMS Neve modern versions and BAE and some others....

Non-the-less interesting topic.

If I didn't own or have experience with original vintage 1073's and I was on a budget I may have gone for the BAE at $1k cheaper than the AMS Neve version. Not knocking the sound of BAE, but it isn't like my vintage 1073s.


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Also worth mentioning, I've read some pretty honest sounding interviews where Rupert claims he didn't know dick about electronics and got a job peddling transformers. Thru on-the-job training he really got into and learned about the differences in manufacturing specs of transformers - he discussed core materials, core gap length and materials making up audio transformers and how they impact sound. He also claimed to have better than most when it comes to a full range hearing.

In the interviews Rupert said his designs revolved around what he knew - namely transformers.

For the 1073 he said he was going for the sound of a 1950 tweed deluxe transformer (beautiful open bold rich lower mid harmonic) with a germanium front end (which gives things an open lively zing)

So you may want to consider reading up some more before dismissing AMS Neve transformers and calling BAE as more 'original' BAE clearly cannot be or according to the AMS Neve tech, it would be sued.


Again I hear it, I can hear the difference.


I think the AMS Neve branded iron is way closer to original than say a new russian made Tun-sol or Mullard or GEC tube. To me the new russian tubes don't sound anything like the vintage NOS counterparts.

I know this is a high end thread, but thought I'd mention on the lower price point of things an SCA N72 does the Neve thing pretty darn well. I sold my racked Neve's 6 years back for good sized pocket change and kept the N72's for when I need a Neve sound.

It would probably be better if everyone just stopped calling their 1073 clone a 1073. None of them sound similar to each other, that's not necessarily a bad thing either.

I meant no disrespect. I do hope you enjoy making awesome sounding tracks with your AMS Neve or vintage modules. After all, don't we all love a good preamp around here

Not on the back, but on the front it’s there. At least on my Bae 1073MPF. U less you suggest it for vintage correctness.

I specified I was referring to their 80 series modules. The 1 rack space units have them.

It's essentially a clone of the 1272 which is a lower gain pre from the 1073. In other words, it's the same design. We had a bunch of those N72s and they always delivered the exact Neve sound we expected.

It's a shame that they went out of business -- they had some great things planned for the future.

I think somebody bought the company and they are still at it.

Rupert Neve first “day job” after the military in wwii was designing and making transformers for his father in law. Between demobbing and getting married he made his own live equipment for shows for 15 years or so. He must of known a little about electronics since he made a living off it before the day job.

Hi Everyone

First Time Poster here. I have a Neve 1271 that has been converted into a mic preamp.

I would like to ad a volume pot between the Output on the card (as seen in the pic) and the xlr line level output of the pre. Thus I want to drop the volume at the output of the preamp. Same as having an A Design Atty or Radial sat-2, but just an added knob to my Neve. I have a 2U unit, so plenty space to ad a output volume knob.

Hope this all makes sense.

This will be used to drop some level before going into my interface.

- What do I need? Volume pot only?

- Specs of the pot? Ohms? Linear or Audio Taper, etc.

*Photo was taken before my tech did a recap and mounted the internals into the 2U unit*

You'd likely receive better response(s) in the GeekZone section.

I recently bought BAE 1073 rack ( with the EQ) Completely destroys 1073LB and Ams Neve DPA. Mind you the LB and DPA sound very good . The BAE full rack unit just makes every thing you put through it sound finished. I wish I knew this before I bought the 1073. I would have bought the 1084. I just ordered another bae 1073 rack for a stereo pair.

Hello,

AML 1073 Clones got good feedback from users on this website ?
What do you guys think about them ?
Regards

Sergio

Some people like them, but I'm not a big fan of them. They are good sounding preamps, but they are pretty different to a Neve in my opinion. You'd be better off with an AMS Neve or a BAE.

Colin, who owns AML, worked for Neve. I think they sound very good and very much like a Neve is supposed to sound. For complete clarification, I’ve never directly compared an Aml 1073 to a vintage Neve unit, so this is based on memory. Vintage 1073s can sound different from unit to unit.

Yep, a few teeth were knocked out, no casualties though.

Glad to hear this, because I just chose a stereo pair BAE 1032 over the AMS1073. I already have a BAE dual 1073MP and like it, so I rolled the dice. Can't wait to hear them in action.